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Topic: when do you really know its over?
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sweetheart Honorary bitterslut
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posted 04-03-2000 09:21 AM
when do you know its over and how do you do it? i met this wonderful guy, i've been with him for about 8 or 9 months. we've been through some times that even married people have had a hard time surviving. we are so much stronger than we think we are. and i love him so much. yes recently he has been a little stern with me, but he only gets that way when he is just so stressed out. everyone tells me to leaVE HIM, BUT In my heart, i will never be able to let him go. every one always tells me i'm too young to be in love, but i KNOW otherwise. i would do anything for him. see- it all started when we first met. well, jeff is a compulsive liar, but i didn't find that out until i had already fallen head over heels for him. and everyone deserves someone because everyone has flaws. well anyways, he has a hard time excepting the blame for his own actions, he's one of those people that try to find someone to blame it on so it keeps him out of trouble. anyways im 16 and hes 19. well eventually his parents began to hate me because for some reasone "all of a sudden all of his failures began to be my fault" so they made him choose to move out or break up with me, so he stayed with me. anyways it wasn't a very good start. i've been crapped on a whole lot throughout this relationship and i feel like my goodness has been turned all around on me. don't get me wrong that he has done a lot for me. now he just moved back in with his parents because he is beginning to be financially unstable, but it is the best thing for him. every time his parents start to like me again, he always has to find someway to ruing it. its like he likes conflictor he's scared somethings going to happen. everyone needs someone and there is someone for everyone. he needs me and i need him in different ways. i just don't know how to get in good with his parents, try to help him from reacting violently when things go bad and i just wish i knew how to make him grow up a little bit. i mean i balance his check book and stuff. its like we're already married and stuff but sometimes i wonder if he just stays with me bcause im responsible. his parents say that he can see me every day except one day a week. it just kind of makes me mad because he is 19 years old. im used to spending every waking moment with him, sometimes even staying the night with him and now its all different again. how should i act mature about it. sorry so long- just got a lot on my mind.
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cristal Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-03-2000 02:35 PM
Chin up! The good news is, you're 16. I understand that this is awful and painful. Everyone knows that ache. Really well. But, even though you believe your relationship is like a marriage, it isn't. Not even close. At 16, you have at least five more years of this confusion before you even come close to what marriage is like. And, if you really want to be safe, give yourself a good 10 years before you settle down with one man. The bad news is: You are not going to solve his little temper problem. No one can fix that except him. Please don't assume that you can! Listen to what "everyone" is telling you. Because there's a difference between being "a little stern" and behavior that provokes "everyone" to tell you to leave. You are not too young to be in love, but you are likely too young to settle down with someone. Saying things like "i would do anything for him" is very, very dangerous. And naive. Don't be naive -- especially with men. You owe it to yourself to be a smart cookie! Someone who can recognize a bad situation, no matter how pleasurable it may appear. For example, do you really want to be with someone who is a compulsive liar? Guess what? You aren't going to change that. You cannot rescue Jeff from himself. You describe his inability to accept blame for situations, but he's 19. He's 19. Keep saying that. "Jeff is 19." "Jeff is 19." Because Jeff at 19 is still a child, even though he's technically an adult. He's likely insecure and unwilling to grow up (hence the inability to balance a checkbook and take on the responsibilities of an adult). He needs time to grow up. People don't grow up at 18. There's no magical number that marks your entry into adulthood. I also know (without knowing these people) that his parents DO NOT (i repeat...DO NOT) hate you. Parents don't hate their children's friends. They only try to protect their children. They likely see their son walking a path of destruction and want to stop it before it happens. They likely thought that his having a full-time girlfriend was a bad idea, since he can barely manage his life. The want to control his behavior in the best way they know how. Because they love him. They want nothing but the best for him. And their definition of "the best" may be different than yours. I know it's hard to give parents a break, but you need to start giving parents a break if you plan on being an adult. Parents do their best. (I'm not a parent myself, so I can only speak from 37 years of experience with my own and with my friends' parents.) They really have their children's interest in mind, not their children's girlfriends'interests! Can you blame them? They've knonw him all his life...They've know you ... what... 8 months? Your goodness is likely not lost on them. But, it's likely not enough for them to love and approve of your relationship with their son. You are a wonderful, warm person, but their experience as parents has resulted in their making decisions that aren't always popular. And they have to make decisions every day with their son. When you say that "every time they start to like me again, he always has to find someway to ruing it," it sounds like he's sabotaging your relationship for some reason. Have you thought of why he'd do this? Maybe he's having a hard time choosing between his life as a child and his life as an adult. Believe me, it's a tough choice. It's nice and warm in that house! Parents are fun to come home to! They feed you, love you, act concerned. It's a very tempting place to stay. He's likely very torn, and, as a 19 year old, he sounds pretty healthy in that way. But, if he's violent, you need to stay away. Period. Reacting violently is OK when you're 3 or 4 years old, but not 19. He needs to find the ability to calm his temper around you (and everyone else!) He's probably not staying with you just because you're responsible. More, he likes the attention and the companionship. Never over-estimate a 19-year-old boy's emotional ability. They're simply not that bright when it comes to relationships! You asked: "how should i act mature about it?" Acting maturely is different than "being" mature. Being responsible is a matter of trusting your conscience. Your ethics. Stay in touch with those. Act on your ethics, not on your emotions. Don't be selfish, but don't be too giving either. He's his own person. You are too. You both need room to grow and get strong on your OWN terms! You're far too young to be defined by a boy, don't you think? My advice is always the same when people sound too desperate over a relationship: find your own happiness. Find your own potential, develop your own strengths, do things you like to do. Be independent. Don't need anyone. Don't need anyone. Don't need anyone!
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Allinea Honorary bitterslut
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posted 04-03-2000 03:42 PM
First I am really sorry about the situation your in. I've been in it before. As for the cumpulsive lying, that will never change. He will only start lying about your relationship and this will hurt you 100 times more in the end. As for what you have said about the abusive part you definately need to ditch him. From what you sound like you could get a guy that is much better. I know its hard but you should really move on.
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Syl unregistered
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posted 04-03-2000 07:18 PM
After being with a man who has controlling, meddlesome parents, for 21 years...let me tell you...it never got better, they never liked me, I was never good enough. Even after our beautiful children were born, their petty, insidious, invalidations never stopped. I considered myself to be a kind, caring, considerate, good human being. And always tolerant of their constant knit-picking. Sometimes now, I refer to them as the soul-suckers. They put unnecessary strain on the relationship which ultimately contributed to the DIVORCE. I can't help but wonder how good it could have been had my ex been an orphan.
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Superphreak13 Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-03-2000 07:19 PM
Hey girl~ Sounds like you're in a tight spot. I'm a little tempted to agree with Allinea on this one. The whole compulsive lying thing is not a good thing to be involved with...especially when you're sixteen. But at the same time, I realize how hard it can be to leave someone you really really care about. The best thing I can say is to look out for yourself. You don't want to tie yourself down in a situation that could make you lose your individuality when you're only sixteen. You have your whole life ahead of you...don't limit yourself by something that isn't right for you right now. And with all the problems it sounds like you're having, it doesn't seem to be right for you. Just remember that you are a good person outside of the relationship too. I have the habit of attaching myself to guys because I feel like I can define myself by my relationship to them. And that sounds like what you're doing right now. And girl, you don't want to do that because it hurts a lot...a lot more than breaking up with this guy would. I hope everything works out for the best...keep us updated.
------------------ Nibo
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Scorned Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-04-2000 04:14 AM
I agree with the above responses. Look out for yourself. Your boyfriend sounds like he is not mature enough for your relationship. Another thing that if he is lying then you can't trust him. I know its hard but try and do what is best for you. Good luck and keep us posted
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sweetheart Honorary bitterslut
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posted 04-04-2000 09:00 AM
well thanks for who has responded. it really has made me think about a lot. im not giving up just yet. he is in such a beter mood since he's back with his parents. one day a week he has to go strait home from work and visit with his family. i thought it would be really hard, and it kind of is, because im used to being with him 24/7, but yesterday we talked on the phone and my mom needed it so i let him go. he told me to call him right back, but i decided to go take a relaxing bath and blow dry my hair and stuff before i called him back, so his parents wouldn't think i was intruding. besides the bath being refreshing, i just thought about how i can just start letting him be the one to chase me around, bc i keep chasing him around. today is his birthday, and we are going over to his parents. i hope everything goes ok. i miss him more not seeing him as much, but thats a guarantee that we wont be fighting as often. we usually run everyday, and we ran yesterday and its just a good refreshing time to get some anxiety out of your system and get some exercise. im trying to be mature. its just hard sometimes. i really think this is going to be for the better. this weekend im taking him out to eat and to the movies and taking him shopping. i've already gotten him 3 shirts. i just didnt' know how much to spend oh him. i am going to be more careful and also for now on when i start feeling tension, i'm going to just go home early. but im going to start valuing the time i have with him more. also another thing that stressed our relationship is before christmas we got in a big fight and was with another girl(i don't know if he cheated on me or not) but he made a big scene at my house and my mom told me that if i chose to get back with him, which i thought about it for a week, then he wouldn't be allowed in the house. well actually at first he had to start picking me up at our gate. well ive tried talking to my mom about it and finally last night she said he could start coming back in the house again, which relieves a lot of stress because his parents don't want us over there all of the time, bc they said they don't want us getting in their "routine" so now when we don't have anything to do we can go to my house.it really does seem that there is beginning to be a light at the end of my tunnel. i just hate it that every time it starts to rain in my life, it has to pour. but that goes for everyone. i appreciate the advice and i would love to continue to keep getting it because i enjoy the company. please keep writing me and thanks for all who did. love-chelsea
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Scorned Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-04-2000 09:10 AM
Sweetheart, I'm glad things are better. Just take things slow. I hope you have a wonderful evening together. I was just wondering why you were taking him shopping? It this a birthday present? If its not my advice to you is to start spending your money on yourself. I use to buy gifts for my ex all the time. I'd spend hundreds on him and would only occasionally buy something for myself. Well now I have nothing and he has everything. the only good thing is that I get to keep my paycheck from now on and don't have to share it with anyone. Well, keep us posted on how things are going. Good luck.
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Cruel_Babe unregistered
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posted 04-04-2000 04:47 PM
Usually I know it's over, after i see their lifeless skull roll.
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Rat unregistered
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posted 04-10-2000 08:25 PM
Don't listen to cristal about all that. Age ain't nothin' but a number, and if you really love this guy, and he really loves you, you would do anything for each other. The each other is the important part. When I was 15 I ran away from home to be with a 19 yr-old man who I was so in love with I could've burst. The only problem was by the time I followed him to California, he had become strung out on heroin and not caring about me or anything else. But 2 hours later I met the man I've now married to. We've been together for four years and I don't have any regrets for getting into a serious relationahip at that young of an age. The truth of the matter is that you have to trust YOUR judgement, not your friends, his parents, your parents, him, or anyone on the internet. If this guy is what you want in your life (remember it's a big decision. If you go in thinking "oh I can always get divorced" you probably will) then don't let anything stop you from following your heart. Nothing is worse than regret. It's up to you to decide whether you'd rather regret staying with him or not taking a chance on him.
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cristal Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-14-2000 07:50 AM
Yeah, don't listen to me. I don't know anything. Just get married and have lots of children. What this world needs is more children. Define yourself by who you're with. Become a wife, and don't try to conquer anything but motherhood and wifehood. I'm sure that the man you choose now will be there for you for the rest of your life. Watch lots of movies and take your lessons from them. You will live happily ever after. peace.
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Superphreak13 Full bitterslut status
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posted 04-14-2000 08:03 AM
Cristal is right. DO NOT TIE YOURSELF DOWN TO SOMEONE WHEN YOU ARE ONLY 16! Rat is right, age is just a number. But are you really emotionally ready for a relationship that could affect you for the rest of your life??? I know when I was sixteen I sure as hell wasn't. I still don't think I'm ready for that. Rat got VERY lucky. The fact is that most young people who run away from home at such a young age end up cracked out on drugs, homeless, pregnant, and on welfare. Okay...maybe that's a little extreme but you get my point. I'm not that much older than you and I remember how horrible it is trying to figure out who you are. I know how easy it is to fall into the trap of defining yourself by who you are with. But trust me, you do not want to do that. If you lose yourself now, you may never find yourself again. Granted, things may work out with this guy and you may end up happily married to him, but chances are that a year from now you will look back on this situation and laugh. I have seen soooo many of my friends marry young and all of them have lived to regret it.
------------------ Nibo
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fell sorry for you unregistered
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posted 04-18-2000 04:05 AM
First of all, I wanna tip off my hat to the wonderfull ladies that took their time to give you some great advice. You responce, un fortunately, felt like a slap at the face to me (who īs also been there). That cockiness, I know, steams from the fact that you have time at your side. Time to waste with idiots and torture your self needlessly. Because you are young you are strong enough you put up with shit like that(if i can take still take it, it cant be THAT bad...) The strength soon dissipitates my sweet, and the years go by even if life sucks. You will look back and beat your head against the wall, as surely as day turns to night. I know my words will not change your future, but, damn it, it felt good to vent.PS.. boy i hate it when they ask for advice they dont plan to heed anyway.. its soooo ME...
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Holy Shit unregistered
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posted 04-18-2000 06:34 AM
I can tell you from my experience that it's over when 1) they stop calling and 2) when you call them they keep blowing you off. Probably because they found someone new to call. Usually, I give it three chances...if a guy blows me off three times I chalk it up to for whatever reason he lost interest and therefore I will let it go.
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